Do you think more Dog Off-Leash facilities are required in the lower mountains?

almost 6 years ago
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One of the principles of managing dogs in open space areas is to provide a heirarchy of opportunities.  This includes,

Local Use.  Everyday use within 1km of most people, and includes ON Leash exercise opportunities.

Occasional Use. Accessible within 15 minutes of most people and may include time share Off-Leash opportunities.

District Use.  One facility should be available over a broader geographical/planning area, which can offer Off-Leash opportunities through daylight hours. This may incorporate a social setting and could require additional infrastructure.

Other principles to consider are (i) Visiting a Park with a dog is a valid form of recreation, (ii) Community benefits are provided from people excercising dogs, (iii) Equitable provision of recreation space, (iv) Sharing limited open space, (v) Dog owners have an obligation of responsibility in public spaces, (vi) Some spaces are not appropriate for dogs or off-leash activities.

  • Steved over 9 years ago
    With the National Parks in the Mountains area it is essential that good sized alternative spaces are available to dog owners, partcularily off leash.Thank you.Steve Dawkins.Blackheath
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      Put dog of leash area in national parks if you want them better still have the dog of leash in your back yard,If you really want a dog of leash area so badly the have it out the front of your house no mine! please nominate/put your hand up with your address.NO NOT IN GLENBROOK!!!!!!!!!
    • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
      I own dogs and I run with them on a lead, ONE thing to consider when you buy a dog is your living circumstances especially the size of your yard if you have a small yard you do not buy a LARGE dog this is only selfish on the part of the dog owner and grossly unfair to the dog. I do NOT agree with dogs of leash in public areas fenced of or not on a whole dog owners are a minority and should not INFLICT them selves or the dogs on others this will only ij the long term breed hate.Just to add 1 of my dogs was attacked & killed in another dog of leash area the killer dogs owner and his mates were so proud of his large dog killing my terrier.
    • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
      CONSIDER THIS OPTION BMCC, if you really need to have another site in Glenbrook being as you already have one at Lennox Bridge think on option X, opposite BOWLING CLUB, NEXT TO SKATE RAMP, a very large area where ample parling is already avaliable, noise will not be an issue and local residence will not suffer every day disruption taht this facility will bring.BUT NOTE THIS I NEVER WANT TO SEE THIS FACILITY IN GLENBROOK PARK IT WOULD BE MORE ANTI SOCIAL THAN SOCIAL IN GLENBROOK PARK AND ONLY BREED HATE I AM SORRY TO SAY. I have spoken to locals & hate is already brewing.
    • NOT in GLENBROOK over 9 years ago
      PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU REGISTER TO BE PART OF THE FOCUS GROUP TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER LIVE ON LINE 20 SEPT TO BE CONFIRMED, MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!ATEND COUNCIL MEETING 2ND NOVEMBER TOGETHER AS A GROUP WE CA STAND TALL AND BE HEARD, NO DOGS OF LEASH! I WILL BE PART OF FORUM AND ATTEND COUNCIL MEETING.
  • Plottie over 9 years ago
    More facilities in the lower mountains-yes, there are 4 from Glenbrook to Hazelbrook, and 8 from Lawson to Blackheath.
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      YES more dog off leash areas so people can drop their dogs off in the holding pen whilst they go shopping.I am positive no one will be admitting to dog droppings and cleaning them up.Yes more Facilities for dogs WHAT about the YOUTH of these areas how about them, where do you think kids play? they play in a park! YES take their area fill it with dog droppings kids will appreciate that. NOT IN GLENBROOK!!!!!
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      • rose over 9 years ago
        Yes, well Blue Mountains residents should be asking why all our parks are being given over to dogs. Leura Oval is now called the 'doggy park' - how sad is that? It is in a reserve and adjacent to the National Park - unleashed dogs should not even be allowed in the reserve let alone an off-leash area. Twenty or so dogs and their owners use the park every day while local children play ball games in the street. Leura Oval was once a place where families had picnics and children played on it every day. Even when dogs aren't on the oval children don't want to play on it because there are always dog droppings. I don't take my children there anymore. Surely Blue Mountains youth have more rights than dogs!
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        • The Deacon over 9 years ago
          Rose I am so sorry to hear about Leura oval DOGGY PARKI hope the council backs off the CHILDREN ARE OUR FUTURE if they cant meet play and expand their social skills we will be in trouble.But the BMCC says we just need happy dogs.Thank you for your valid view on Leura oval hope the council reads this and its not already a done deal.
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          • rose over 9 years ago
            Leura Oval has been an off-leash area for over a year. Most of the local residents objected to council when it was originally proposed. Reasons against it becoming an off-leash area included: It adjoins the National Park and is in Gordon Falls Reserve (the main reason), it is the only oval in Leura where children and families can play; hours - it starts at 4pm so children can't play ball games on it after school; two residents were attacked when it was on trial; noise; loss of quiet enjoyment of our properties; increased traffic on a dirt road (hence lots of dust) - the list goes on. Even the Greens councillors voted for Leura Oval - so much for their environmental policies. So good luck with your dealings. As you say 'BMCC says we need happy dogs'!! I just wish BMCC would choose off-leash areas more carefully - maybe the price we pay for living in a WHNP is fewer dog off-leash areas.
    • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
      Hi Plottie yes their are 12 dog off leash locatings between Glenbrook and Blackheath that is fact I just not sure if u r saying should be more or not? sorry Plottie not wanting to pick on or bully you at all. Any way I dont want to see any more of these facilities thats for sure but pls read my option X for Glenbrook would that be good please all let me & BMCC know.
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      • rose over 9 years ago
        Yes Two Dogs there are more than enough dog off-leash areas in the mountains. A small but vocal minority group are dominating our local parks and spoiling them for families and children. I don't want my children playing on any oval or park that dogs have been urinating on and defecating on. I know that if my dog defecates it is hard to pick it all off the ground - I would have to carry a bucket of water with me if I wanted to completely wash it away. I think the risk to children sharing an oval with lots of dogs is wrong - dog droppings do spread disease. And do children want to pick up a ball that has landed in recent urine - I don't think so. Most people drive to dog parks so if they have to drive a bit further so be it. Unfortunately BMCC councillors see votes in this issue - they don't realise there are lots of very annoyed people out here who would like some parks and ovals to be given back to us mere humans. Maybe we should all start barking louder........
  • rovingwombat over 9 years ago
    Yes. Another important consideration for having dog parks is that they allow dogs to socialise. Dog parks are also great places for people to connect with other dog-lovers in their communities. The lower mountains is currently under-served. What about Blaxland East?
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      Yes please consider Blaxland East rather than GLENBROOK.Dog lovers can connect? a bit desperate using a dog to connect to people. Responsible dog owners walk & run with their dogs on a lead if you cant do that dont have a dog.I see dogs OFFEN want to FIGHT each other even when on a lead DON'T need this in GLENBROOK imagine poodle in blood bath with PITT BULL OFF LEAD who will stop that one "NO ONE"Take it were it may be wanted NOT GLENBROOK!
    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      COUNCIL PEOPLE LISTEN TO THEN WANTS OF THE PEOPLE WHAT ABOUT EAST BLAXLAND they appear to want it let them have it!I am from Glenbrook & I DO NOT want it in our park!!!NO WAY NOT IN GLENBROOK !!!! NEVER !!!!EAST BLAXLAND YES YES YES !!!!!
    • rose over 9 years ago
      So parks should be for dog lovers to socialise at the expense of everyone else! What about the rest of the community?I have noticed that dog owners stand around and talk while their dogs play in off-leash areas. Surely it would be more healthy for the owner to put their dog on a leash and take it for a walk!
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      • The Deacon over 9 years ago
        Rose you are so right, seems that a minority group of dog owners care more about their dogs that and person/chilren, vegitation or habitat.The dog with exception of DINGO is not a native animal to AUSTRALIA so what are their effects on native wildlife and vegitation.What is the total effect on local residents as a whole?NO DOGS IN GLENBROOK AREAS A OR B !!!! Stay Home!!!!!!WALK YOUR DOG ON A LEAD DONT LET OTHERS SUFFER YOUR DOG BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE!
  • favouriteuncle over 9 years ago
    More off leash definetly needed. Increased off leash areas means a more socialised dog population, a more responsible dog ownership culture, less barking dog complaints, dog attacks etc.. When dogs are kept locked in their yards all the time without contact with other dogs or people and aren't excersized this is the root of most dog related problems.Blue Mountains dog owners must learn to pick up behind their dogs when excersizing, as not doing so only gives ammunition to the dog haters to fire at us
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      Cleaning up droppings is a great and valid point I wish more dog owners shared your view.I do not hate dogs or wish them harm wanting people to be responsible dog owners does not mean they hate dogs.Responsible dog owners walk their dogs every day ON LEAD they even play with their dogs in the yard and offen let them in the house all these activities stop dogs barking etcIF a dog owner cant look after their dog then maybe they are not dog lovers.
  • hotattic over 9 years ago
    I think there should be a variation in the type of 'off leash' areas. Apart from fenced off 'park' arears there needs to be paths/trails where they can be off leash. i.e lennox bridge about a 20 min round walk. Another one would be the fire trail out to Marges and Elizabeth lookouts, about a hour round trip with a stop for look at the veiws or lunch. These options make for variation for both the dogs and the owners particually for the dogs that don't chase balls, or owners who get fed up with retreiving the ones they didn't bring back.
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    • rose over 9 years ago
      No - dogs should not be allowed in reserves, on fire trails or adjoining our World Heritage National Park. If dogs do not harm native flora and fauna why aren't they allowed in National Parks? The reason - our native flora and fauna needs to be protected for future generations. There is nothing wrong with dog off-leash areas but BMCC should place them in the right areas.
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      In LEURA OVAL alone 2 people were attacked by dogs during the trial I agree that dog of leash areas should be as far away from population as posible but even then they do there business and its never cleaned up. IF a dog needs a run put it on a lead and take it for one run with it walk with it clean up its mess stop it barking around houses.You dog owners are not dog lovers dont fool your self you are selfish and irrispossible with you dogs of leash wims!!
  • rose over 9 years ago
    If there are to be more dog off-leash areas they should not be in reserves or adjacent to the WHNP. BMCC must take responsibility for our native flora and fauna for future generations. Unfortunately dog owners bark louder than our native animals.
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      YES this person is so RIGHT!!!Want about flora & fauna yes preserve it what about insects and native birds preserve itwhat about the majority of people that dont have a dog and want to walk in the parkWhat about Children that play in these areas alreadywhat about the foul stench of dog dropping over powering local houses.Dogs on leads or dont have one!! be responsible or is that to hard?
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      • rose over 9 years ago
        Add to that flies, dust from cars and continual barking for hours while dogs play and you start to get the picture! If I had a dog that barked for hours I would be contacted by council and would have to keep it quiet. But council expect homeowners adjacent to off-leash areas to continually put up with noise.
      • favouriteuncle over 9 years ago
        Good Lord!. You people make a modern approach to off leash areas in the Blue Mountains sound like the Chernobyl meltdown!. If the residents of the Blue Mountains are'nt capable of bringing about dog and people friendly recreation areas as has been done successfully in so many places elsewhere, we have a problem far more serious than just off leash areas.
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        • The Deacon over 9 years ago
          Fovourite uncle I guess then that you should make your street the dog off leash area if you are so keen.Yes we do have a great problem and that is that CHILDREN are valued far less than dogs.Please feel free to nominate your self and your yard any time.NO DOG OFF LEASH IN GLENBROOK AREAS A or B DONT MAKE US ANOTHER LUERU DISARSTER!!!!!
        • fido's friend over 9 years ago
          The point is the Blue Mountains aren't like 'so many places elsewhere.' We are one of very few World Heritage National Parks with a very fragile environment with rare and endangered species and not a cityscape where off leash areas might be justified. Every park and oval that adjoins that national park is a wildlife corridor between the natural and built environments. Threatening that wildlife with the presence of dogs may not be a 'Chernobyl meltdown' but it is another threat to biodiversity. The problem that is far more serious than 'just off leash areas' is our unique environment.
    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      THIS IS 100% CORRECTDog owners and councilers read this and thing he makes senseWHO?? has moved into the lower mountains with enough power to even make this an issue???I dont want YOUR YAPPING DOGS any were near GLENBROOK PARK!!
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      • fido's friend over 9 years ago
        'No dogs' and 'rose' are right on all counts. And Leura 'doggy park' is now only for big dogs as the small ones were monstered off. So much for harmonious socialising. Also cars now scream down Malvern road and onto the dirt track to the oval morning and evening churning up dust and frightening walkers. There should be a 5kph speed limit on that track or someone will get hurt. But, hey, we're just talking to ourselves as council will take absolutely no notice. This forum is just a sop to interactive democratic process. Council doesn't care about residents' amenity, the environment, the World Heritage National Park etc. or they wouldn't cave in to a minority dog lobby in the first place.
  • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
    I do not feel that we need any more dog of leash facilities in the lower mountains & I do oppose this idea most vigerously.There are already 12 yes 12 areas set aside for betweem Glenbrook & Blackheath I have to ask why are any more necessary.I live extremly close to Glenbrook Park and own dogs BUT I still oppose BMCC proposal for more areas of leash, I already walk my dog on leash around Glenbrook and on occasion walked them to the 24 Hr 7 Day a week dog of leash area that already exist at Glenbrook which is at the Lennox Bridge. There it is peacefull no houses near bye to upset residence and even then I still worry as my dogs have both been attacked by larger dogs also of leash and in fact I lost my little dog due to injuries sustained in on of these attacks.Please no more of leash in Lower mountains.
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    • myusuck over 9 years ago
      I find it thoroughly debilitating when I cannot let my little friend of its led and when I read some of the comments from fellow rate payers I wonder what kind of place this is with sky rocketing rate electricity water car rego and the list goes on yes we should have more places where you can safely un leash you prize pet if only to show the rest of world that life is more than just human beings with a mortgage and bills to pay. It would seem that people with a fixed income are being discriminated against but just like all minority groups they will just have to put up with rest the community.
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      • The Deacon over 9 years ago
        the name says it all doesn't it!
  • julie over 9 years ago
    couldn't agree with you more Steve. not miles away from where i live either (springwood
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      Please JULIE I would luv you to have a dog off leash area right at your front door!! JULIE please notify BMCC immediatly and advise them you want the dog of leash area in your street let them no thatyour front yard is the drop of point. LOOK BMCC JULIE WANTS IT @ SPRINGWOOD !!!!! I HAVE ALSO NOTICED THAT 2 OTHERS ARE CALLING FOR IT AT EAST BLAXLAND PLEASE GRANT THEIR WISHES. NO NO ABSOLUTLY NO TO AREAS A & B GLENBROOK.
    • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
      Hi not picking on you & I no we all love our dogs but local residence in council selected areas I have spoken to are very agrovated that dog of leash areas have been nominated buy council in front of their houses. SO BMCC choose a little better their are 12 areas already between glenbrook & blackheath Glenbrook is 24hr 7days at LENNOX BR why another in GLENBROOK. I note people asking for it in EAST BLAXLAND and their are none in SPRINGWOOD talk to residence in those areas and pick a spot.I ALSO DO NOT WANT ANOTHER DOG OF LEASH AREA IN GLENBROOK ESPECIALLY A OR B IN MAIN GLENBOOK PARK
  • Two Dogs over 9 years ago
    Been thinking on this matter, may be wrong but here goes I feel that the area @ GLENBROOK opposite the BOWLING CLUB next to the SKATE RAMP PARK would be a better location in Glenbrook if it realy must be my thinking as follows* ample parking 24/7*no local residence homes are affected* A large area where a run could be fenced in and not detract from both Residence & Tourist/ Picnicer etc areas already heavily used.* Noise does not become an issue ie: continual barking cars coming and going other various disruptions that this facility will bring.** BMCC consider OPPOSITE GLENBROOK BOWLING CLUB NEXT TO SKATE RAMP!! CALL IT OPTION X !!!!
  • mhd over 9 years ago
    Make dog areas separate to ovals and fenced! As a family (with a toddler and medium sized TRAINED dog) we enjoy walking 1 - 2 times a day. We have just moved from SA where we had access to a number of parks where dogs could be off leash and socialise, those parks were fenced with access to litter bags, bins and water. As a dog owner I take the responsibility very seriously - my dog is always on leash outside of our yard, never unsupervised around children or strangers and we always pick up after him. I think off leash areas need to be fenced - the off leash areas in North Katoomba and Leura (ovals) that we sometimes walk through often have large dogs unsupervised (I feel scared myself - I would not take my child!) and many owners DO NOT pick up after them. Ovals cannot be used for sport and other activities and then for dogs at other times. Dog owners are a breed of their own (I include myself in that), and I think dog areas should be kept separate from public parks for families and children. The council should also turn their attention to the number of dogs (large) in North Katoomba roaming the street with no tags! Scary. I have called the ranger a couple of times. Owners need to be fined!
  • DOG GONE over 9 years ago
    Their is a 24hr 7 day a week dog of leash area already located at Glenbrook ( LENNOX BRIDGE) so I say NO to another at Glenbrook as 1 is enough, I have noticed that 2 pwople are calling for east Blaxland so maybe consider a site there.
  • Norman over 9 years ago
    I think that the council should start promote the idea of fewer domesticated animals in our mountains area. We live in a wonderful area populated with natural wildlife, why not enjoy that instead ? We don't need more dog off leash areas - we need fewer dogs.
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    • rose over 9 years ago
      Yes Norman - I could not agree more and there are many other people who think the same. We live in a very special place and BMCC should be protecting it for future generations. Why are BMCC promoting the idea of off-leash areas in this special area? And how can they even think it is a good idea to place them adjacent to the World Heritage National Park and in Reserves? They should be promoting our wildlife and beautiful environment - after all isn't that the reason most of us live here? Dog off-leash areas may be important in the city where there is no space for dogs in gardens but unnecessary in the Mountains as yards are bigger. Lets hope we eventually get a wiser council who realise that our wonderful area should be protected.
  • kaytee over 9 years ago
    Some dog owners might want off leash areas for their dogs, but why should council pay for this? Surely it should be taken over by a private business. If you want an off leash area for your dog then pay for it. Pay an entree fee for your dog. Then the service would be managed and secure it and it would keep the public safe from off leash dogs and dog poo. Why should council do this out of public money?
  • Dogs are part of this community over 9 years ago
    Yes we do need more Dog Off Leash Areas in the Lower Blue Mountains. The existing OLA’s have all proven to be successful. Dogs are a part of our community!!
  • NOT in GLENBROOK over 9 years ago
    I DO NOT support the dog off leash neither fenced or un fenced and is not required in needed in lower mountains.I agree that there are already 12 areas already located between Gleenbrook & Blackheath why do we require more sites, there is already an off leash area located at lennox bridge Glenbrook so I must ask why do we need two in Glenbrook.
  • fido's friend over 9 years ago
    Norman and Rose are absolutely right about fewer dogs and non-native animals in the mountains. When you look into the history of the Companion Animals Act 1998, it was designed to create off-leash areas in the city where there were no alternative spaces for dogs. Also, it was a requirement under the Act to have ONE off-leash area per Council area. So BMCC could fulfill the Act's requirements with just ONE instead of the numerous areas we have to put up with. Part 1, section 4 of the Act also states 'It is declared that the protection of native birds and animals is an objective of animal welfare policy in the State'. So BMCC's animal welfare approach is at the expense of native birds and animals who are threatened by the presence of dogs. The scientific fact is that dogs, even on leads, scare birds. This is a quote from the University of NSW study: 'New research showing that dog-walking in bushland significantly reduces bird diversity and abundance will lend support to bans against the practice in sensitive bushland and conservation areas.' (http://www.science.unsw.edu.au/news/dog-in-hand-scares-bird-in-bush/). And hey, it doesn't get more sensitive than living in a World Heritage National Park!! Come on BMCC, stop off-leash areas in parks and ovals adjoining the National Park!!
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    • The Deacon over 9 years ago
      Fido's friend your input is absolutly fantastic, I am constructing my letter to Mr Summers BMCC & will use your facts in it.PLEASE every one needs to write and get their email faxes & letters of objection to council before 5pm friday 10th Sept.Also write to every council member you can and also the GAZETTE to raise this issues profile I will be working to acheive this.I will place an add in Gazzette & invite you all to join me at BMCC meeting to be heard with a load voice and say NO!